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[missrecalled_mods]

Hello, all! Don't worry, there is plenty of time for RPing out your arguments to the NPCs why any character should or should not be allowed in Auradon!

However the mod-squad needs to work to get all your ducks in a row (I said what I said) and so needs to ask you guys for some help for a moment.

If you know one or more of your characters is going to argue for one or more character to either be allowed to come to Auradon or to stay on the Isle, please let us know here. This can be what you plan to RP, what you plan to hand wave, or a mix of both.

And yes, characters who started on the Isle may indeed argue on their own behalf!

While you can put multiple arguments in the same post, please make it clear, separately what arguments are being made by what character to which NPC(s).

As an example, Tanks might post:

Lea is going to argue that Xion should be able to come to Auradon or he is staying on the Isle with her. He will argue to any NPC who will listen. His arguments will center around friendship, and possibly around the fact that she had no choice but to do the evil things she had done in the past and that even she doesn't see it herself she is actually a good person with a good heart who tries to help.

As plotted OOC, Xion is going to get Lea to argue for Emporio as well. He will probably try to appeal mostly to Yen Sid and Ben. He will mostly talk about friendship, and possibly about how rare it was for Xion to be brave enough to speak to any stranger, so if she is speaking for someone she did not know before - even to him - the kid's gotta be pretty okay.

Chicklet might post:

As plotted, Aqua will join Lea in arguing that Xion should be allowed to come to Auradon. She will make her case to Mal and Ben. Included in her arguments will be that she has met multiple versions of Xion at this point and all versions were good kids that were tricked and poorly used and kept locked in a web of fear.

Utau will argue to Mal - since she looks the most reasonable to Utau's sensibilities, that she should be allowed to go to Auradon because she chose good, and if this is the reward for choosing good, why did she leave evil behind?

Utau will also argue, again to Mal, that Morgana is her rival and should also go to Auradon so they can prove with a proper stage which one of them is the true queen of rock and roll.

Greg will argue to Ben and Mal that everyone should come to Auradon, because everyone deserves a second chance.

Nadeshiko will argue to any NPC who will listen that Utau should remain on the Isle because her claiming to be good has not yet been tested, but the number of children that Utau has tried to harm while working for an evil company are beyond counting. Her arguments will be emotional, and she will prove her youth in how out of control she might become if denied.

Those are just a few examples. Basically even if multiple characters are going to work together, please separate them. Please only combine if someone is, as Greg is, making an all or nothing argument. Otherwise each argument should be separate and spaced out.

Please feel free to make as argument as detailed or simplified as you wish, but do keep in mind that the NPCs may have to make decisions before all the RP has concluded, so this is your chance to make sure your character(s) has his/her/their voice(s) heard in time for the final part of the event!

As always, backtagging is not just welcomed but encouraged in this game.

Now, all that said, there is someone who has a voice that carries more weight in this choice than your character's voice. YOU. If you the player don't want what the character wants, please let us know that at the bottom of your post in bold, and we will take that into account more than we will take into account character will! Also let us know if you are cool with us reaching out, if your opinion might differ than what might happen IC otherwise. Thank you.

We hope you are all having fun with this event and look forward to the dramatic conclusion, next time on Missrecalled! Same batty time, same batty channel!

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[queen_butterfly]

Mallia, as elsethread, initially thinks getting a heads-up in impressions from someone else is fine, but that's all it should be; she votes to bring everyone who's even a maybe.

Once she knows for a fact that Chell's on the Isle, meets with and discusses what happened to him since he disappeared in their world and all, there's no way her mind is getting changed about it. She'll make it very clear to Mal and Ben in particular, since they're the ones who seem to have the most control over the situation (and to Yen Sid if he's around to hear, since they seem to care about what he thinks) that she now has zero trust in whatever or whoever is behind judging people to sort them into Isle vs Auradon, and there's no chance she'll be okay with leaving people that've been auto-sorted like that. (People who were actually prisoners, due to proving themselves awful -- aka the "teachers" -- and Yen Sid, who came over on his own and can presumably just decide to return when he wants; Mal and Ben aren't arguing against him, after all.... that's a different matter. they're talking about the people kidnapped to this place against their will. Don't change the subject! hmph!)

(If someone asks either her (once she's talked to Chell) or Chell himself, they'll explain that it looks to them like he's apparently being punished for either not being willing enough to end lives, and therefore not murdering some murderers asap... or for not being able to prevent them from killing the family they'd chased into his forest. Or both. ...Which is all the more reason Mallia's lost all confidence in the auto-sorting.)

Chell's adamant already that there are those on the Isle that don't deserve to stay, though he'll easily admit that he hasn't met everyone and therefore can't yet speak for all of them. He'll point out that he's seen children around -- and that they'd have to be absolutely mad to assume the worst of them, since they are children. And the ent, in particular, hasn't done anything to deserve punishment -- especially since it wouldn't even understand such (as in, people's ideas on morality. It just doesn't have the mental processes for that) and that's proof enough for him that whatever's going on here is unjust. But rather than keep arguing over everyone individually, since again, he hasn't spoken to everyone at length, he'll be making it clear that he should be able to help figure out who's a monster and who isn't (he's not going to explain, especially not to Ben, why he's eyeing him a bit more while he says that, lol) but for some reason, he hasn't been able to use that sense while he's been here, but for a brief moment a while ago. (ETA: as in, while the barrier was open. and no, he didn't sense anyone being a monster while it was.)

He's going to be fairly obviously uneasy around Ben in particular, but only wary, definitely not starting anything. But whoever seems to be taking the lead in deciding things, whoever seems to own the boat -- that's who he'd try reasoning with.

Editing to add: he's also not going to be okay with leaving most of those he's met behind, like Foulques and Morgana. Just because his ability to sense hostility only works on the Auradon side of the barrier doesn't mean it was an argument of "pick at least me". He'll let his ent go, on account of he'll trust it to Mallia, if they want to take it, but if they're going to try taking him and not them, he'd make it very clear that that's not an option -- and that though conditions may be better on that side, he'll be having sincere doubts about some of the company, for leaving people behind who don't want to be Isle-side and haven't proven themselves monsters yet. Similarly, Mallia's going to be unhappy if they leave Chell and the others. She'll still cooperate with them overall, but she's not going to be in a good mood for a while over this. Like with having no confidence in the auto-sort... well, she knows Mal's just wanting to be cautious, but there's cautious and then there's letting paranoia steer you toward being preemptively awful to others, and with her world's history, this is not a good look, in her eyes. She's going to be disappointed with her in particular.)

I'm just going to be over here popcorning. I got a fresh bag of kernels and an air popper. I'm good. I do think it might be more fun than not to at least bring the ent over to Auradon's side of things, though, so they can properly dress it up for Xmas, lol.

[phoenixwiz]

While he is not certain about who in the Isle he knows of (aside from maybe his dreamscape run in with Xion, but he sadly didn’t got her name before they have to return to reality), Harry, being a man who has seen all sorts of morality in his world, will argue that anyone who has the capability to change for the better and has the heart to do this should come over to Auradon. I mean, we are talking about people being given a second chance in life and innocent people who got wound up in this situation not by their own choice.

Since he knows that Mal and Ben (and most likely even Yen Sid) are the ones who are very capable of handling this situation and who are working to solve this mess, he has good faith in them to make the right decision for everyone involved although he does have serious questions about whoever or whatever thinks it is the right idea to sort people between Isle and Auradon in the first place. Plus he has MAJOR problems of people being held captive and getting kidnapped against their own will at home and he is so not happy to see it happening again in the Isle.

His experiences in Hogwarts and Wizarding Britain, having a kind & loyal godfather who got accused and imprisoned for crimes he would never do, and dealings with the unsavory members of the Ministry of Magic have also shown to him that not everyone is by their own nature wholly good or evil. As his old school headmaster/mentor have told him, people have both the light and dark sides inside all of them, it is only how they do with them in life that makes them truly good or evil. As for the people who are truly bad to the bone, he will say that they should be the ones to decide for themselves if they want to change their hearts or otherwise as he had given the same option to Voldemort, I mean, Tom Riddle back in the Battle of Hogwarts. And maybe keep an eye on their progress to just be safe.

[hotheadwarmheart]

Lea will not be leaving the Isle without Xion, period, unless someone physically drags him, and I frankly don't think any of those currently coming from Auradon would be able to do that. He'll also vouch for Emporio, since he kinda remembers him from the train and how many worlds he helped. Plus, he's Xion's friend, that she made on her own, unprompted. This is huge and he will impress that on people. He'll also argue for the rest of the kids to a lesser degree; he doesn't really have any personal connection to any of them, but he's of the opinion that no kid deserves this.

Foulques will also argue in favor of all the kids going to Auradon for similar reasons, but will advise Ben that Mal is right with regards to the adults, and they should exercise caution and good judgement rather than being too trusting. He trusts that Ben's intentions are good, but thinks he's naive. And as much as Foulques agrees that he needs to prove himself to those from Auradon, he also wants to see proof of Ben's resolve, and that he won't back down or give up on them when setbacks happen or things get rough. He'll also be very honest about what they can and can't expect from him. He will work to become a better person and prove himself trustworthy, but he probably isn't ever going to be especially nice or respectful to those he feels haven't earned it, which includes a lot of Auradon nobility. And he will absolutely call people out if he feels they deserve it. He will also inform them that whatever else happens, he can't go back to his own world due to the fact that he was snatched from when he was in the middle of falling to his death; Isle or Auradon, their world is his home now, so he's in this for the long haul no matter what they decide.

[aquawayfinder]

Aqua is with Lea in arguing that Xion should be able to come, pointing out that she has met very many versions of Xion at this point and every version is a fundamentally good person who has been gas lit and abused by a group of villains, who mostly only were so because they had been gaslit and abused themselves.

Aqua upon learning Chell is a friend of Mallia's will argue for Chell as well, trusting her to know her friend well enough.

Aqua after hearing Nadeshiko and Utau's arguments both would ultimately argue that second chances, especially for one who claims she chose good are the best way to help nurture the Light in a Heart, but given that Utau won't deny Nadeshiko's claims of previous wrong doing she would suggest that perhaps coming back but with supervision would be the best.

Aqua would argue in general for second chances with super vision for anyone unknown.

Xion will not make any arguments herself, because talking, but she will tell Lea that Emporio should come with them, but would probably also admit that Morgana scares her especially.

Nadeshiko will argue very emotionally against Utau, telling the King and Queen how she used her magic to steal the dreams of small children. How she helped the evil Easter corporation to try and steal a magic item that would grant any wish, and how she didn't care who she hurt to get it.

Greg will argue that everyone should get a second chance, because that is how healing happens.

Kyoko has... no real horse in the race and probably will argue based on her emotions in the moment. But mostly she'll just be helping and hard working.

River Song would argue that she doesn't really care what they think of her, and she's handled worse prisons than this. But for Rory's sake, she could behave. But no promises she wouldn't slap the Doctor if he arrived and deserved it.

Ian has no real arguments to make here, but will advocate second chances in general.

Utau would argue that she chose good, she decided to be a hero, and this was the reward she got? Being dumped here? Excuse you, no. She will also argue that Morgana should come to Auradon too, since she's her rival, and how is she supposed to get better without a real rival?

OOC I want Xion wherever Lea is, and Utau wherever Morgana is. (I love the CR, okay?)

[lovebites_sodoi]

Morgana is going to head right for Mal - given the dream they shared, she figures she has a foot in the door.

First, she will argue for herself - they know literally nothing about her, how can they judge? How's anyone supposed to improve on an isle with nothing to their name... wouldn't that breed resentment? Of course, if asked about her past, she will take a page from Dr. Facilier... not quite lying, not the whole truth either. (For example - "Yes, I cast a spell on my fans, but I've learned since then, and I've vowed to never do it again" = She'll never cast that SAME spell on her fans, and she's learned what evil schemes will work better for next time.) Exact Words will be in play, so they have no right to be angry later.

But her real "defining moment" will come that compared to the above, she's going argue much stronger for... every "isle" person she's met! Expect a lot of tsun-ing.

River? Come on, the woman's clearly a nutjob, she won't improve here, put her to Auradon so someone can get some sense in her.
Xion? That kid is a pile of nerves ready to implode, she needs actual good guardians looking over her.
Chell? He's a plant guy, he needs to be somewhere there's actually GREEN, so and his Ent don't keel over.
Foulques? He's already a walking goody-two-shoes, he's wasting his time here, get him over there where he can actually do something with his life.
Utau? She's just a kid, and her talent is going to get better being stuck here, she needs an audience and this hunk of rock is nowhere near performance ready.


As for me? No particular preference, let the dice roll where they may.

[mist_the_point]

I can't help but lol a bit at her thinking of Foulques as a goody-two-shoes when the guy probably has the second highest body count of anyone on the Isle (River almost certainly being the highest).

[lovebites_sodoi]

Shhh, don't let little things like facts get in the way...

[logic_in_unity]

Of mine. The one who will be most vocal on this is Skisan. He will make cases for individuals only if it seems needed, but will focus on the situation at large. His talking points will be. (He may have done this when Mal first brought it up on the boat, rather than waiting to reach the isle, so as to not take up the time needed for individuals to plea their cases.):

1. He agrees that judging someone based on a quick emotional reaction is not the ideal way to handle this situation.
2. However, they have very little time to really think this through, and not all decisions are clear cut. Leaving someone (Especially a younger person) would just make them bitter and make any reform more difficult in the long run. So, it would be better to risk bringing them along and supervising rather than leaving them behind and coming back for them later after they've had time to think.
3. If there's time he might point out this is not exactly an ideal environment to expect reform and that incarceration in a place like this would be deemed cruel by most cultures he has encountered. Given limited resources, leaving those who are a definite threat seems the only option, but if it's going to be much longer, they really should work out a better long term solution. If there isn't time then, he will likely point it out later.
4. It would be logical for there to be more than just one person there who they trust both to keep an eye on anyone left behind and to help newcomers who also could defend themselves/others if needed. (And he would volunteer, but would not argue the idea if turned down as they haven't had much time to get to know him/trust him. I can see either choice making sense IC and don't really care either way if he's taken up on it.)

Æn'kae would have trouble speaking up except in the very unlikely event someone he'd met before had not been vouched for (Namely Xion, River, or Morgana). He came expecting a rescue mission, and leaving people behind beyond maybe someone well supplied to keep an eye out for newcomers hadn't occurred to him. As to what to do, if asked he would say at least those brought against their will should be given a fair chance. (What he would not say is how conflicted he feels about that, having dealt with people he would not want roaming freely if they happened to make it there.)

I feel like Rren said their very brief piece on the boat(prolly interrupting Skisan XD). They think no one who wants to leave should be abandoned there, criminal or no and they are Very Angry about it. But they also know they can't rationally argue right now, so I think they just... stayed there with Sylv to avoid losing their temper. Especially since they weren't exactly gonna be able to carry much over anyway.

[seacub]

OHBOY i hope this all makes a lick of sense

Emporio will not speak for himself; he's too anxious to do so, and already stunned by how many he's caught speaking for him. He won't refuse to go- he'll be nervous, even terrified perhaps, and possibly even have a panic attack out on the water, but if they say he can go, he will.

What matters is the rest.

Since my actual ability to thread with everyone on the Isle was a little hindered by time, energy, and DW never notifying me of new posts, this is going to be lumped a little vaguely.

A Vital note is that Emporio is very good at judging character; he will vouch strongly for Xion as an example, noting that more than being someone 'good', she's someone who needs to be surrounded by it if she's going to be able to 'Live'.

People like River, as well, he will vouch for; and this is where things get tricky. Emporio's stance is very strongly a matter of case by case, heart over crime. He will not shy away from the fact that he hasn't agreed with this split in the first place, finding it a method that only causes crime (or 'evil') to intensify and amplify due to the lack of support and guidance (or 'good') available to those left behind.

Those who come across to him as people inclined to cause harm and danger for selfish reasons, he will agree should remain behind at this moment- while those who he feels are just trying to keep their head above water, trying to survive, will make his list of people he thinks should be in Auradon.

Which brings us to...the Staff.

Indeed! He has a deal with Facillier, and it would be Pretty Uncool if he didn't at least say SOMETHING. As he already told the Shadowman, he can't outright vouch for the guy right now; that's...well. Sorry Doc but you're really transparent right now.

But Emporio will, when speaking of the Staff, point out this much; the Headmaster is a lying liar who lies. For sure. But in his own way, he still kept the boy grounded, he still helped him out, and that's a lot more than one can say for Gothel and Tremaine. Not that Yen Sid didn't help him out either, but this isn't about him. Yen Sid was always fine.

What's important is that he really thinks there's a spark of something in Doctor Facillier that...Can get there. Can make it to some level of 'good', for lack of better words. Really! Trouble is, he doesn't think the Doctor himself believes it; and Emporio doesn't really know where to go from there, but he thought that much was worth mentioning. If there's anything...anything that could help, he thinks that's important.

[waitsforher]

Rory is a big believer in second and even third chances so he would argue for anyone being allowed to come to Auradon. He especially wants River to be closer so he will do anything to make sure that happens.